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The Bush Cheney conf call begins at 10:45 pm. To join call:
1-800-262-1292. That's 1-800-262-1292, password Miami Debate.



AP has done it again. There was a bit about this happening on the Daily Show last night, and seeing it in person this afternoon is just too funny. Check out the post on Atrios which caught the text.

It's like we don't even have to watch the debates at all. Thanks AP!

At many of New York City's fine shops. Here's a guide. [Via Jason Kottke]

The new version of Firefox from Mozilla, which got 1 million downloads in its first 100 hours of release, and 2 million in ten days, is awesome. Download it now, and let your friends know too.

If you haven't already, ditch IE. It's insecure, ugly, badly written, and crashtastic. Remember, Firefox is free so there's no excuse. And hell, even Stephen Toulouse, Microsoft’s Security Program Manager, uses Firefox.

Does she even know what she's saying?

Angèle Boyd, a vice president at IDC, a market research firm in Framingham, Mass., concurred: "This industry has shifted away from selling boxes to selling solutions, which include services around the box, and this branding change is right in line with that."
The article is about Xerox's new logo, which I don't like, and was designed by the agency I work for. Fabulous. And why the change? Because they're not just about documents anymore, or being digital. They're just about being, er, technological, and consultants for your document needs. Nothing like a document company with a digital X logo. No, far from it indeed.

Daily reasons to dispatch Bush from McSweeny's.

This comes to us from our good friend and reliable reporter, Steven W. Highlighting mine.

Of many health problems plauging Americans....

Racketeering (Rico)Charges filed Against NutraSweet, Dr. Moser of NS,
American Diabetes Assn, Monsanto, Press Conf 9/16 A.M. Sacramento

Racketeering Charges filed for knowingly marketing a deadly neurotoxic
drug for human consumption, NutraSweet/Aspartame/Equal/Spoonful, and
stumbling the public into believing it to be a safe additive

San Francisco, CA (PRWEB) September 17, 2004 -- A RACKETEER INFLUENCED &
CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS
As evidence, an explosive affidavit from a former translator for the G.D. Searle Co - the developer of aspartame - will be made public at a National Press Conference on Thursday, September 16 at 11:00 a.m. at the Sheraton Grand Sacramento Hotel, 1230 J Street, Sacramento, California 95814, phone (916) 447-1700.

For 16 years, the FDA denied approval of aspartame because of compelling evidence of its contributing to brain tumors and other serious disabilities. Donald Rumsfeld, present Secretary of Defense in the Bush Administration, left President Ford's administration as Chief of Staff to become the CEO of aspartame producer G D Searle Co. in 1981. Shortly after, Rumsfeld became the CEO, and the day after President Reagan took office, aspartame was quickly approved by FDA Commissioner Arthur Hayes over the objections of the FDA's Public Board of inquiry. Hayes had been recently appointed by the Reagan Administration. Shortly after aspartame's approval by the FDA, Hayes joined NutraSweet's public relations firm under a ten year contract at $1,000 a day.

Aspartame/NutraSweet was the product of the G. D. Searle Co. In January 1977, the FDA wrote a 33 page letter to U.S. Justice Department Attorney Sam Skinner: "We request that your office convene a Grand Jury investigation into apparent violations of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act." Skinner allowed the Statute of Limitations to run out.

Three FDA Commissioners and eight other officers and Skinner took jobs in the aspartame industry.

The Food and Drug Administration once listed 92 adverse reactions from 10,000 consumer complaints and would send the list to all inquirers. In 1996 the FDA stopped taking complaints and now denies existence of the report. Seizures, blindness, sexual dysfunction, obesity, testicular, mammary and brain tumors and death, plus dozens of other dread diseases named in the suit arise from the consumption of this neurotoxin.

Defendant Moser, past CEO of NutraSweet, is cited for misrepresenting facts to public and commercial users with full knowledge of the deceptions. The toxin is sold to Bayer, Con Agra Foods, Dannon, Smucker, Kellogg, Wrigley, PepsiCo, Kraft Foods (Crystal Light), Conopco (Slim-Fast), Coke, Pfizer, Wal-Mart and Wyeth (to name a few), who use it in some of their products, including children's vitamins. These
entities are named in other suits now in California Courts.

Defendant American Diabetes Association's mission is to care for diabetics. A 35 year ADA member, world famous diabetic specialist H.J.Roberts, M.D., discovered aspartame can precipitate diabetes and reacts harmfully with insulin. ADA rejected his report which was then published in a prestigious medical journal.

The seven count indictment includes charges for violation of California Consumers Legal Remedies Act, Fraud, violations of California Civil Code \x{00A7}1780-1784 and Injunctive Relief: that Defendants be enjoined from future use/sale of aspartame.


Donald Rumsfeld... just... so outraged I'm speechless. Not great for a blog, but honestly.

Rummy on how we'll win the war on terror:
"At some point the Iraqis will get tired of getting killed."

I still haven't decided on a direction or format for the blog, but this is too awesome not to post. Behold! PlanetDan's Senior Photo Album. Amazing.


Do you like beer? Sure, we all do. But, unlike traditional food items, you've undoubtedly noticed that there is a glaring lack of nutritional information on the sides of bottles or boxes. Why? The alcohol industry doesn't operate under the same rules as other food... I don't know why, either.

However, in my quest to find out what I'm actually putting into my body (and how much soda I need to stop consuming) I found this handy guide to most of the beers that I drink that contains calorie and alcohol content info. This way you can plan your evening not just based on alcohol tolerance, but also by what you've had to eat today.

Let it be known that I've believed (based on solid proof) for a very long time that Chimpy skipped out on his National Guard duty. I mean, duh. Anyway, here are some words from World O' Crap that tie things up nicely.

Fox News had William Campenni (the guy who served in the same unit as Bush in the early '70s, and who wrote the letter touted by Ed Gillespie as proving that Bush actually existed back then) on the Brit Hume show this evening. Campenni was brought on to give his opinion that the Colonel wouldn't have routinely written a memo ordering a pilot to show up for his physical, because pilots usually had until the end of their birth month to get checked out -- which for Bush would have been a couple of months after the date on the memo -- and they took said exam without needing a special order to do so. Campenni added that drug and alcohol screening also wasn't routine in 1972, and was only done when requested by a commanding officer who had reason to suspect there was a problem.

So, Fox News is making it sound like Col. Killian had reason to suspect that George Bush was using drugs (or seriously abusing alcohol) in 1972, and so he specifically ordered the young officer to show up for a physical which would have included special screening for alcohol and/or drugs. And Bush refused to obey that order.

And then George was whisked out of state by his family. And he was later given permission to serve in a non-flying unit in Alabama (even though he had signed a commitment to serve his country as a pilot, in recognition of the fact that it had invested thousands and thousands of dollars training him to fly planes), all so it wouldn't come out that George had a drug problem. But he didn't even bother to show up to read the magazines (or whatever other cushy made-up work they arranged for him in Alabama) during the time he was there, because a commitment to his country meant so little to him at the time. And then associates of his family put pressure on George's superiors to write up undeserved performance ratings for him, showing their contempt for honorable military service. And then most of the records which could embarrass him were illegally destroyed in the past decade or so, in order to help George's political prospects, because his career is more important than the law or the truth.

Pretty damning stuff, which I never would have suspected without Fox News' efforts to discredit the memos. (Because, as even the White House said, the stuff about Bush basically bailing on the last couple of years of his National Guard service is old news.) Thanks, Fox News!

It sucks that we have to keep focusing on candidates' records from decades ago instead of actual issues that matter. I understand why it's happening (the Bushies have no ground to stand on in the present to get elected) but it makes the whole race seem like a joke, when it's anything but.


Due to recent lifestyle changes (moving to Brooklyn, getting a job at one of the world's largest advertising agencies) the format of the blog will be changing. I don't have the time or resources to continually update the site with breaking news, and so will be switching to some form of article-based/commentary/or something approach. Not quite sure what yet, so if you have any suggestions let me know.

Apologies to those of you who enjoy the news coverage. I get most of my political links from Atrios, Kos, Pandagon, and the New York Times. So if you're interested in that kind of thing, I suggest you go there.

Once I arrive at some kind of decision or content format, you'll be the first to know.

Thanks for reading!

There have now been over 1000 US soldiers killed in Iraq, yet the Bush administration sees this, too, as a victory.

The most telling reaction to the milestone, however, involved the administration. Bush had no reaction -- not officially or unofficially. Left to speak for the government, Rumsfeld made reference only to the number, not the event. The number of deaths, he observed, was actually "relatively small" given the risks.

My first reaction was, if my son or daughter had been one of those thousand, I'm not sure that would have provided much comfort.


Nader is unhappy again. Really unhappy.

Ralph Nader, knocked off the presidential ballot in a series of states recently, lashed out against the Democratic Party on Thursday and accused its members of using intimidation tactics to prevent or dissuade people from signing petitions on his behalf.

The Green Party-turned-independent candidate said the Democrats are practicing "political bigotry," comparing the requirements that have kept him from appearing on some ballots to Jim Crow laws--segregation-era mandates that, among other things, prevented blacks in the U.S. from voting.

Petition signatures collected by supporters have been closely scrutinized and challenged by the Democratic National Committee, which has tried to keep Nader off the ballot on the basis of technicalities and "micro-provisions," Nader said.

"The whole process stinks, what we have to go through," he said, adding that fighting petition discrepancies in court is draining his campaign fund.


From Mad magazine via Atrios.

Additional info on the CBS documents.

60 Minutes. Typewriters. MS Word. Ugh.

Cheney is really, really lame or stupid. Or something. I can't explain how he could say that the employment figures and average income reports miss the thousands who make money on Ebay. Ebay isn't another economy or a massive welfare program -- it's people selling their stuff so they can make extra money to supplement their lower paying job, if they're lucky enough to have one.
Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards responded that Cheney’s comments show how “out of touch” he and President Bush are with the economy.

“If we only included bake sales and how much money kids make at lemonade stands, this economy would really be cooking,” Edwards said in a statement.

VP Dick Cheney warns nation of hemorrhoids if Kerry wins.

Indian Point is about 35 miles north of New York City. What is Indian Point? It's a nuclear power plant where security is loose and planes fly legally overhead. The virtually unsecured pools of glowy fun each contain about 20x as much radioactive material as Chernobyl. One of the flights that hit the World Trade Center flew right by it, and if it had veered left and crashed into the plant, the whole of NYC and surrounding areas would be wiped out in about three hours -- that's about 20 million people.

Rory Kennedy produced a documentary that premiered last night on HBO that explores why the industry and government maintains that there need not be a no-fly zone over the facility, and that security is just fine, even though Rory herself was able to rent a helicopter without showing any ID, and flew just 2000 feet over the plant. As she pointed out, if they had ill-intent the aforementioned doomsday scenerio could have taken place in a matter of minutes.

Maybe we should spend less time on terror alert colors and more time on securing or eliminating extraneous resources that could devastate an entire coastline.

Don't say I'm doin fine. I'm not even tryin' to.

I now live in Brooklyn. You may ask why -- to me or to yourself at your computer. Because it motherfuckin' rocks, that's why. Brooklyn kicks ass. Manhattan kicks ass. And you know what else kicks ass? Me.

For today and today only, I rock because I moved to New York City. From this day on, I'm on my own sans rocking, which I understand, but I'm prepared. I'll be working at Wunderman and Shabaaz is visiting me tomorrow, which should be a lot of fun. Plus, Neal [no link 'cause he's a loser] is living four blocks away from me.

To those about to rock, I salute me.

Janeane and I reconciled. I haven't blogged about her in a day, and so now I am free to allude to or quote her irreverent but charming humor at will.

Not that I have anything to quote at the moment... give me time.

What the hell? Now Newsweek is giving Bush an 11-point lead as well as Time. I know conventions traditionally give candidates a bounce, but for an evil, bigoted, scary hatefest, a lot of people seem to have liked what they saw. That worries me a great deal.

File this under "Oh God we fucked up".

The residents of this town of dairy and cattle farmers did not know it then, but half a century ago, northern winds blew radioactive fallout into southeastern Idaho when the federal government set off about 90 nuclear bombs at its Nevada test site near Las Vegas.

There is not any doubt that Emmett, population 5,500, and other towns in four Idaho counties were exposed to high levels of radiation from the open-air atomic bomb blasts, receiving among the highest doses of a radioactive chemical that has been linked to increased risk for thyroid cancer. The National Cancer Institute in 1997 released a detailed study and a map plotting the locations of the fallout across the country, ranking concentrations of Radioactive Iodine-131, an isotope released when a nuclear bomb is detonated, from Nevada to upstate New York. The study put the four Idaho counties - Gem County, which includes Emmett; Lemhi; Blaine; and Custer - and one in Montana at the top of that list.


James Wolcott (welcome to the LearnRoll™) notes that Romans would consider disasters right before wartime as omens of tragedy to come. Maybe the Bushies should have used the same caution.
Camille Paglia observed on Salon in February, 2003 that the explosion of the Columbia shuttle on the eve of the war on Iraq was a "stunning omen," one that would make a Roman general think twice. A catastrophe strewing death, fire, and human remains across Bush's home state of Texas was inauspicious to our undertaking; and so it has proven to be. Frances is the second hurricane to afflict Florida, home of brother Jeb, in rapid succession.

The gods are not pleased.


Bloggy [the newest addition to our LearnRoll] has more protest signs.

Are gays planning to don rainbow armbands and begin a holocaust nouveau against conservatives, where Republicans will be killed because of "how one chooses to use their genitals" and "gas chambers will smell like CK for men"? Sadly, No!

P.S. Brian Cherry sucks, forever and ever and ever. Seb skewers him justly.

I think it's time we broke up. It's been great, but I need some time apart.

I was listening to Janeane Garofalo's HBO Comedy Half Hour from about eight years ago and discovered she described the average Bush voter without realizing it at the time. [mp3]

Or maybe, as Janeane Garofalo has said, 52 percent of those surveyed have frontal lobe disorders and iron deficiencies. I don't know what else could explain this.

Now is the time to fight. No days off over the next two months. Vigilance for our country!

S.Z. at World O' Crap provides a condensed (albeit slightly) version of Chimpy's speech. This is an excerpt, much more at WoC.

My opponent's policies are dramatically different from ours. Senator Kerry opposed Medicare reform and health savings accounts. He opposes marriage, children, little puppies and lowered income taxes for kindly, old billionaires. To be fair, there are some things that he is for: satanic rituals, wife-swapping, and raising the taxes of innocent wealthy people. His policies are the policies of the past. Ours are the policies of the FUTURE! We are on the path to the future, and we are not turning back -- because we're lost, and we're too macho to ask for directions.


Attention: There will be very light blogging over the next few days, possibly until next Friday. Now that the RNC is over, I can finally move to New York, so that's what I'll be doing. Obviously, my computer won't be hooked up for a little while, but I'll do what I can.

I agree with Ezra -- best graphic ever.

BloodforOil.org has a fabulous selection of graphics to download in many different formats of wonderful design against the Bush/Cheney catastrophocracy.

I suddenly yearn to have confetti and balloons shot out of cannons everytime I tell a lie. I'm not sure why.

This is the only reporting I will provide on Bush's speech. (I may take that back later.) Janeane Garofalo on the Majority Report: "When is Ashton Kutcher going to come out and yell 'You've been punk'd!'"

How the lame have risen. Mary Jacoby provides insight to W's past at Salon.

Atrios has pictures. I'm gonna call an exorcist and the Orkin man. Can't be too safe.

Chris Matthews' interview with Zell Miller is amazing. I've heard clips from it, but the full text is absolutely amazing. Mr. Miller gave the keynote address last night at the RNC. He is in desperate need of medication and at-home care.

I was going to encode this myself during the repeat at 7pm, but someone already did! Enjoy.
I'm an optimist. / I'm an optimist. / We're gonna get attacked again.

[Via Atrios]


Evidence shows that there was NO PLANE that hit the Pentagon. I've heard this claim before, but now there's a fantastic Flash presentation here that spells it out clearer than Vanna ever could. If you watch nothing else today, watch this, and then ask yourself: What the fuck?

[Thanks to Jay P for the alert]

From Unfiltered on AAR this morning. Whoa.
DAN PATTERSON from Morning Sedition: I was talking to this stagehand and apparently they're going to reconstruct the stage after Dick Cheney's speech tonight. It's going to stick out into the audience so that Bush can be floating on the crowd. And there's a hydraulic lift that's going to lift him up out of the stage. He will come out of the stage, rise triumphantly above all of his followers.

LIZ WINSTEAD: Like Spinal Tap?

DAN: Yes, or like Jesus.

Steven Heller writes for the NYT about amateur typographers and the widespread use of their typefaces due to easy distribution on the Net.

Back then a novice could not produce a viable typeface without having a type foundry or type shop make and sell it. Type design was the province of skilled artisans who were expert at achieving the finer points of legibility through graphic subtleties invisible to the reader's eye but crucial to a good reading experience.

Now, for well over a decade, computer programs like FontLab and Fontographer have allowed neophytes, as well as veterans, to create a new generation of digital type. During the ensuing digital typographic revolution of the 90's, a slew of designers and illustrators who had never designed an alphabet before flooded Internet sites with bizarrely named, peculiarly styled and sometimes illegible faces. Typeface design became something of an expressive art.

However, as Jason Kottke notes:
Odd examples in the slideshow though...where's Chank, Joe Gillespie, or Ray Larabie? They're the real amateurs.

I was going to do this around 4 this afternoon, but was distracted by catching up on episodes of Six Feet Under. Fortunately, Matthew Yglesias factchecks Arnold's speech last night. The whole thing was pretty much a lie, but here are some specifics.

Has Rolling Stone always been this good? T.D. Allman reports on Cheney.

This pattern of misplaced confidence in Cheney, followed by disastrous results, runs throughout his life -- from his days as a dropout at Yale to the geopolitical chaos he has helped create in Baghdad. Once you get to know his history, the cycle becomes clear: First, Cheney impresses someone rich or powerful, who causes unearned wealth and power to be conferred on him. Then, when things go wrong, he blames others and moves on to a new situation even more advantageous to himself.

"Cheney's manner and authority of voice far outstrip his true abilities," says Chas Freeman, who served under Bush's father as ambassador to Saudi Arabia. "It was clear from the start that Bush required adult supervision -- but it turns out Cheney has even worse instincts. He does not understand that when you act recklessly, your mistakes will come back and bite you on the ass."


New site added to the LearnRoll: CorpWatch. They're holding corporations responsible and doing a fine job of it. Pratap Chaterjee of CorpWatch has been on the Majority Report this evening and presented very illuminating Halliburton information. $100 per bag of laundry in Iraq. Geez.

How is the international media covering the convention for the party that despises the UN?

During Schwarzenegger's speech, Kay grinned and/or laughed at the following Schwarzenegger lines: "What a greeting! This is like winning an Oscar ... as if I would know!" and "And I've been a Republican ever since! And trust me, in my wife's family, that's no small achievement!" She shook her head and scribbled on her notepad upon hearing this line: "If you believe this country, not the United Nations, is the best hope of democracy in the world ... then you are a Republican!" Midway through "Arnie's" (Kay's word) speech, the Daily News' DeFrank appeared and took his seat. Both "guest" and "talent" chuckled as Arnold gave the convention (and the nation) his guttural money line:

"Don't be economic girlie men!"

"He had to say it, didn't he?" Kay remarked, off-air, to DeFrank. "Very smart," DeFrank answered. Once Schwarzenegger finished, Kay began her on-air interview with DeFrank, returning quickly to Schwarzenegger's "United Nations" line. "I think of all the lines he said, that went down the best with this crowd," Kay said. DeFrank concurred, explaining to Kay's British viewers that "this is a party that doesn't like the United Nations, you know the UN did not support the war in Iraq so [that] was a rallying cry for true believers of President Bush." Kay mused that a line like that is "somehow perhaps more palatable" coming from "an immigrant himself, foreign born himself, still with a thick foreign accent ..."

As President Bush's mug appeared on the big screen to introduce his wife, Kay whispered "Perfectly staged," to DeFrank. While Laura Bush spoke, DeFrank and Kay chatted off-air intermittently. "[Laura's] looking better than ever," Kay commented. "Her skin is looking flawless." DeFrank again concurred, adding, "She's never looked better. They fixed up her hair."

After the first lady's speech, Kay informed BBC viewers that the first lady is "a reluctant but effective campaigner," and discussed her appeal to those whom Kay called "that very key group of swing voters, suburban women" and whom DeFrank described as "soccer moms, independents, women in their forties and fifties who are not very comfortable with President Bush." DeFrank distilled the first lady's implicit message down to this for BBC viewers: "Anybody smart enough to marry this woman ought to be re-elected. That's the subliminal message."



Link

Russians are spending a tense night as an armed group continued to hold up to 400 hostages, including many children, in a school in southern Russia.

Camouflage-clad troops have surrounded the school in the North Ossetian town of Beslan while distraught parents, crowded outside police cordons demanding information and accusing the government of failing to protect their children.

Wrapped in suicide-bomb belts, the hostage-takers are threatening to blow up the building and kill the captives if the school was stormed by Russian troops.

Russian news agencies said at least eight people have been killed in the hours since the armed group raided the school on Wednesday morning.


I love IKEA, but I think maybe some people love it a bit more than I do. Some actually go out of their minds and pay no heed to life around them in their quest for IKEA products. Very sad.

Three men were trampled to death in a rush to claim vouchers at the first IKEA furniture showroom in Saudi Arabia Wednesday, hospital officials said. Sixteen shoppers were injured at the Sweden-based furniture store opening in Jeddah. Medics revived some 20 customers who had fainted in the crush. IKEA said two were killed. The rush was triggered by an offer for the first 50 shoppers to receive $150 in vouchers. An IKEA statement said more than 20,000 people showed up.Hospital officials said two of the dead were a Pakistani and a Saudi national. The IKEA statement said the company had worked closely with Saudi security officials to plan the opening.



As ever, the Majority Report is providing excellent coverage of the RNC. Annatopia is doing a stellar job on their blog, posting photos of protestors, police, the Pink Slip Protest (pictured below) and of Jason Bateman, Atrios, David Cross, and Kos all of whom were on the show last night, archived here. An official "thank you" goes out to her, them, and everyone who is blogging from New York for those of us who can't.


The Washington Post does fact-checking on his speech. Some below, more in the article.[via Atrios]

Giuliani: "I quote John Kerry: 'I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.' "

The context: The administration's request for the funding was controversial, even among Republicans, and various attempts were made to split off $67 billion for the troops from the $20 billion for reconstruction, or to turn the $20 billion grant into a loan, or to fund some of the spending by raising taxes on incomes greater than $312,000. Kerry voted for a different version of the bill, just as Bush had vowed to veto a version that originally passed in the Senate that would have converted half of the Iraq rebuilding plan into a loan.

Giuliani: "Just a few months ago, John Kerry kind of leaked out that claim that certain foreign leaders who opposed our removal of Saddam Hussein prefer him."

The context: The reporter who provided a pool report on Kerry's comments at a fundraiser in March later said she had mistranscribed the comments, and Kerry actually did not use the word "foreign." He also did not refer to Saddam Hussein. Speaking to supporters who noted the opposition to Bush overseas, Kerry said: "I've been hearing it, I'll tell you. The news, the coverage in other countries, the news in other places. I've met more leaders who can't go out and say it all publicly, but boy they look at you and say, you gotta win this, you gotta beat this guy, we need a new policy, things like that."

From the full conversation, it appears clear Kerry is speaking about dislike of Bush and his policies by leaders overseas, but not necessarily the invasion of Iraq.





News from TruthOut:
A commanding officer, telling the crowd of about 200 "you're all under arrest," ordered other officers to bring the "prison van" and the "orange netting" with which to enmesh the protesters.

"We don't know why we are being arrested, we were just crossing the street," said Lambert Rochfort, who was among the protesters. "We were told if we don't do anything illegal we would be allowed to march on the sidewalk and we did just that. Then they arrested us for no apparent reason."

Later in the afternoon, a clash erupted on the steps of the New York Public Library after two women tried to hang a protest banner over one of the lions atop the library steps. After the police pinned the women to the ground, a crowd of protesters struggled with police, answering requests to move with chants of "Oink, oink, oink."

People coming off the subways were thrown to the ground and the steps of the library were left littered with chairs and debris.

As protesters converged on Herald Square in the evening, the police tried to contain the increasingly raucous crowds. Hundreds of protesters seemed to get too close to the buses of delegates and the crowd became unruly as the police moved in metal barricades and used scooters to try to push the crowd back.

Those who would not move were arrested, and each time the police moved in to make an arrest, they were swarmed by protesters.

[Thanks to Steven for pointing this out.]

If you want to hang out in New York after September 13 during the day, I regret to inform you I'll be busy. Wunderman just called and offered me a position doing design there. Ecstatic? Just a little.

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